OK to Lie

Case 9F7C7746-AF39-4C7A-9870-2F24ED509D3D
Sponsor: Robert Thibadeau

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    Accusation
    Lie Truth
     
    Argument

  • Verdicts

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Hopefully humankind will finally decide that people like Trump who lie divisively to achieve power and money should never be given access to either.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Okay ... so the Accusation is that it's not true that Trump has taught us all that it's OK to lie? Considering the vitriol in the attached article from 2023, I'm assuming that this is backwards from what was intended.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Definitely not true

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Let's define OK first..KIDDING. How about is it ever morally right to lie? I do think it is sometime okay to lie to spare someone's feelings if it will do no harm.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    As the plaintiff suggests, it is now OK to lie. However the plaintiff marks this statement as a lie. So does Trump give us permission to lie? President Trump has not given permission so much as allowed the suspension of disbelief which shaded politicians lying to fall. How he behaves is how we always thought politicians behaved but could never acknowledge without sounding cynical and untrustworthy ourselves. It’s not permission to lie that Trump has given us by his lying but to be true to cynicism.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    If there was a universal law , that it was generally OK to tell lies , then life would rapidly become very difficult as everyone would feel free to lie or tell the truth as they chose , it would be impossible to take any statement seriously without corroboration and society would collapse.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    I believe that lying to others, especially if you have a major influence over a group of people, for your own personal gain, is completely unethical and it almost always ends up harming the person or people that are being lied to. But then again, so many people on earth have built their entire livelihood based on lies and it unfortunately won't stop. That's the sad reality of our current society unfortunately.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    No, it is not OK to lie divisively, regardless of who does it whether a political leader like former President Donald Trump or anyone else.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    It is the whole truth that this should be a lie. Anyone who believes this is most certainly a sociopath or psychopath like Trump who has achieved his power and money through criminal activity that should be punished and not rewarded.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    What a convoluted way to espouse a value judgment! Not even any evidence for the Accusation presented ... It's not that I disagree with the root premise that Trump is a bad influence and demonstrates unethical behavior, it's just that this platform isn't built for this kind of word salad to make sense.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
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    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    No, it's NOT ok to lie as you have demonstrated in your argument, to further your own agenda.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Trump has opened our eyes. We no longer have to read truth into anything our leaders say, even if we do not lie ourselves.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Honesty is often the best policy. There might be times that you have to lie (if you are maybe in a risky or dangerous situation. Little white lies to create a magical world for our children (Santa Klaus, tooth fairy) and alo white lies been told to protect others

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    It is the whole truth that this should be a lie. Anyone who believes this is most certainly a sociopath or psychopath like Trump who has achieved his power and money through criminal activity that should be punished and not rewarded.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Lies, especially divisive oneserode trust between people, institutions, and communities, when leaders lie, they model dishonesty as acceptable behavior

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Again, it is nothing but the truth that this is a lie.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    This is another example of how poorly-worded material makes it impossible to properly address a contentious concept. The Plaintiff's phrasing that "it is nothing but the truth that this is a lie" is almost impossible to parse in light of the "Lie/Truth" framework of the Accusation. Instead, this should be framed as a true/false statement about concrete, demonstrable examples of Trump lying and how that is a bad cultural influence. Again, it's not that I disagree with the root premise that Trump is a bad cultural influence, it's that this is an example of how poorly-worded the site is for value judgments like this.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
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    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 80 %
    Supporting Text:
    Can a person lie inclusively? If the lies make people feel better and included is it okay then?

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Trump’s lying demands different responses from the media. But they are still too delicate to pour scorn on their elected leader.

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: No
    Answer Confidence: 80 %
    Supporting Text:
    Telling lies may becomes a habit, and if a person regularly indulges in one form of wrong - doing, they may well become more comfortable with wrong-doing in general.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Again, it is nothing but the truth that this is a lie.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    No one, not even a president, has the authority to rewrite moral principles. Just because a public figure lies openly or frequently, that doesn't turn lying into a new global standard

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is factually true.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    I have no idea at this point how to parse this lie/truth and the Plaintiff's verdicts.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    Let me try to parse this out: [President Trump has now taught all of us that it's OK to lie] = [the Lie]. The deceit is that [the Lie] is factually true. So, despite the Plaintiff's preference to the contrary, [the Lie] is factually true. It is therefore true--in the Plaintiff's opinion--that [President Trump has now taught all of us that it's OK to lie]. So why mark it as a Lie in the Accusation at all? It's not a "lie" to begin with, it's a value judgment. This is one of the reasons why the "Lie" vs. "Truth" wording is unnecessarily confusing.

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is manipulating.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is manipulating.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Lies are always manipulating.

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    A burden has been lifted from our shoulders. The mark up suggests we can now lie by taking our cue from Trump when in fact it’s the relief from having to believe that has been given us.

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is manipulating.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is manipulating.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is factually true.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    The deceit is that the lie is factually true.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    it's cynicism masquerading as clarity

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    The lie is intended by Trump and his voters.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    I can't even follow the circular reasoning and disjointed vocabulary at this point.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    I don't believe even knows that he is lying! He is a pathological lier.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Whatever comes out of his mouth is intended, I THINK.

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    I think the accusation is intended.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: Yes
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    The lie is intended by Trump and his voters.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    In all honesty the way this was set out confused me a slight bit (since previous cases haven’t been like this, it’s not the plaintiffs issue but my issue understanding)

    Answer:
    The motivation is to persuade you to hate something or someone.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Trump's motivation in spreading the acceptability of divisive lying is precise to persuade you that it is OK to hate something or someone. But it's not OK.

    Answer:
    I'm not sure what the motivation is.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    You hate Trump. We get it. But this platform doesn't work well for judging values, especially without any evidence. Pick discrete events and re-think using the word "lie" to include passive and active deception of all kinds with or without intent. When everything can be a lie, nothing is a lie.

    Answer:
    The motivation is to convince you that the lie is factually true.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    The motivation is to convince you that the lie is factually true.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Trump has run on the idea that almost all of our political system is corrupt. That he needs to drain the swamp. Is that his truth or is it just a lie? Is corruption rampant or is it just a few corrupt people running things?

    Answer:
    The motivation is to convince you that the lie is factually true.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Trump lies because that is his negotiating position. He overstates and misdirects with his lies which wrong foots media savvy folk who expect all this to logical. He gives the impression that he occupies a slightly different universe from the rest. Just like a man who has no manners no etiquette, no one knows a good response.

    Answer:
    The motivation is to be informative
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    I'm not sure what the motivation is.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Im confused

    Answer:
    The motivation is to persuade you to hate something or someone.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Trump's motivation in spreading the acceptability of divisive lying is precise to persuade you that it is OK to hate something or someone. But it's not OK.

    Answer:
    The motivation is to persuade you to hate something or someone.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Nobody should be supporting Trump , as he is a terrible person (I might not be from the U.S but from what I’ve seen online I can truly say he should not be a political leader)

    Answer: Unacceptable
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    This lie is unacceptable except to Trump and his voters.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    I don't even know what the "lie" is anymore at this point. Is it a "lie" that Trump's taught all of us that it's OK to lie? Is it a "lie" that it's the truth that Trump uses lies for political gain? Or is it that the word "lie" is being used in this case to mean "something I don't like"? Frankly, it's the last use case that makes the most sense considering the totality of the case.

    Answer: Unacceptable
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    Lying is never acceptable, period.

    Answer: Unacceptable
    Answer Confidence: 50 %
    Supporting Text:
    It is unacceptable to the people who didn't vote for Trump.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    The plaintiff is saying that the statement, it is OK to lie is actually a lie. So does the plaintiff believe that Trump is giving us permission to lie or not? It is not clear.

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 80 %
    Supporting Text:
    It's unacceptable to lie yes The truth is I don't knows what to write in my verdict

    Answer: Don't Know
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
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    Answer: Unacceptable
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    What I’m referring to as “unacceptable” is the fact that it it’s OK to lie and that Trump makes it seem this way

    Answer:
    This is factually untrue.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    I can't even follow the circular reasoning and disjointed vocabulary at this point. I have lost all sense of what the word "lie" means by now. Boy Scouts are liars, Hollywood is full of liars, humanity is full of liars, ducks are liars.
    Answer Confidence: 100 %
    Supporting Text:
    When a "lie" can be anything, then anything can be a "lie". By using an unnecessarily expansive definition for the word "lie" to include all intentional and unintentional active and passive deception as well as activities we don't like, there's no longer room for human communication as everything ever said is now a lie based solely on the hermeneutics of the perceiver regardless of the disjointed and anachronistic perspective. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

    Answer:
    This is factually untrue.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    This is factually untrue.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    The accusation, as stated, is factually untrue. Trump has not taught me that it is okay to lie, so I can't say that he's taught everyone else to lie.

    Answer:
    This is true, but misleading.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:
    We don’t take from this that it is ok to lie. We take that it is ok to see the liar for who he is.

    Answer:
    This is factually untrue.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    This is factually untrue.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    This is factually untrue.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text:

    Answer:
    This is factually untrue.
    Answer Confidence: 90 %
    Supporting Text: